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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 23:05 UTC

"It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
....
So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107

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 by: ltlee1 - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 14:42 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> "It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
> ...
> So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107

Too many people in the US, including Pelosi, think China will attack Taiwan soon. In contrast, people in
Taiwan aren't fretting over China's threats.
Who are misinformed? People in America or people in Taiwan?

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 by: stoney - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:04 UTC

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:42:52 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
> > ...
> > So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "
> >
> > https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107
> Too many people in the US, including Pelosi, think China will attack Taiwan soon. In contrast, people in
> Taiwan aren't fretting over China's threats.
> Who are misinformed? People in America or people in Taiwan?

Why people in Taiwan are not fretting over China because they actually hope the PRC will come to get rid of those DPP scoundrels and people which are now dominating their lives from uniting with their motherland of relatives and ancestors.

They had seen how stupid HK people were when they saw how Western nations in HK and especially NED and CIA were in HK paying influencers and making incitements damaging HK and HK people went off the curve for several years until the national security stopped them.

In those few years, parents, grannies, and elderly and other educated were stoned, set on fire, whacked, and were forced to agree and to work with the mobs in attending protest march and so on.

The situation was like those earlier days of unknow Pol Pot in Cambodia where he was influenced to scotch the earth of Cambodia by killing people. His mobs across Cambodia fanned and mobilized more mobs of Khmer Rouges to kill and push the people to the field to work 24/7 without foods and rest. Eventually, more than half the population was killed by their killers.

The same like this was happening in HK, too. School books were altered to teach against china; school teachers and university lecturers were forced to speak and change their context of topics of lectures against the government leader and China. Students were pushed to commit crimes, and stole lab chemicals to create destruction.

US and their 5 eyes were very happy to see that happened and they were happy to see a sea of destructions of private and public properties evaporating in HK. These 5 eyes' people who worked in HK had moved on with their company to a a small country in the south.

The majority of Taiwan people are now seeing the kind of things happened in HK and Cambodia were being growing enveloped by Western influencers and media and political figures in the West. Taiwan people should now be way worried of the kind of mobsters will rise in the country that created by Taiwan leader and its Western allies.

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 by: ltlee1 - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:20 UTC

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 12:04:14 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:42:52 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
> > > ...
> > > So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "
> > >
> > > https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107
> > Too many people in the US, including Pelosi, think China will attack Taiwan soon. In contrast, people in
> > Taiwan aren't fretting over China's threats.
> > Who are misinformed? People in America or people in Taiwan?
> Why people in Taiwan are not fretting over China because they actually hope the PRC will come to get rid of those DPP scoundrels and people which are now dominating their lives from uniting with their motherland of relatives and ancestors.
>
> They had seen how stupid HK people were when they saw how Western nations in HK and especially NED and CIA were in HK paying influencers and making incitements damaging HK and HK people went off the curve for several years until the national security stopped them.

"Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a
high level of mutual dependence."

More important, the PRC is in no hurry to take over Taiwan. Many did emigrate to other parts
of the world shortly after the ROC was kicked out from the UN. But many had also returned to
Taiwan.

In the absence of external interference, China can certainly reunify peacefully. After all, one
civilization, one people.

>
> In those few years, parents, grannies, and elderly and other educated were stoned, set on fire, whacked, and were forced to agree and to work with the mobs in attending protest march and so on.
>
> The situation was like those earlier days of unknow Pol Pot in Cambodia where he was influenced to scotch the earth of Cambodia by killing people. His mobs across Cambodia fanned and mobilized more mobs of Khmer Rouges to kill and push the people to the field to work 24/7 without foods and rest. Eventually, more than half the population was killed by their killers.
>
> The same like this was happening in HK, too. School books were altered to teach against china; school teachers and university lecturers were forced to speak and change their context of topics of lectures against the government leader and China. Students were pushed to commit crimes, and stole lab chemicals to create destruction.
>
> US and their 5 eyes were very happy to see that happened and they were happy to see a sea of destructions of private and public properties evaporating in HK. These 5 eyes' people who worked in HK had moved on with their company to a a small country in the south.
>
> The majority of Taiwan people are now seeing the kind of things happened in HK and Cambodia were being growing enveloped by Western influencers and media and political figures in the West. Taiwan people should now be way worried of the kind of mobsters will rise in the country that created by Taiwan leader and its Western allies.

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 by: stoney - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:48 UTC

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:20:32 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 12:04:14 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:42:52 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > "It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
> > > > ...
> > > > So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107
> > > Too many people in the US, including Pelosi, think China will attack Taiwan soon. In contrast, people in
> > > Taiwan aren't fretting over China's threats.
> > > Who are misinformed? People in America or people in Taiwan?
> > Why people in Taiwan are not fretting over China because they actually hope the PRC will come to get rid of those DPP scoundrels and people which are now dominating their lives from uniting with their motherland of relatives and ancestors.
> >
> > They had seen how stupid HK people were when they saw how Western nations in HK and especially NED and CIA were in HK paying influencers and making incitements damaging HK and HK people went off the curve for several years until the national security stopped them.
>
> "Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a
> high level of mutual dependence."
> More important, the PRC is in no hurry to take over Taiwan. Many did emigrate to other parts
> of the world shortly after the ROC was kicked out from the UN. But many had also returned to
> Taiwan.
>
> In the absence of external interference, China can certainly reunify peacefully. After all, one
> civilization, one people.
> >
> > In those few years, parents, grannies, and elderly and other educated were stoned, set on fire, whacked, and were forced to agree and to work with the mobs in attending protest march and so on.
> >
> > The situation was like those earlier days of unknow Pol Pot in Cambodia where he was influenced to scotch the earth of Cambodia by killing people. His mobs across Cambodia fanned and mobilized more mobs of Khmer Rouges to kill and push the people to the field to work 24/7 without foods and rest. Eventually, more than half the population was killed by their killers.
> >
> > The same like this was happening in HK, too. School books were altered to teach against china; school teachers and university lecturers were forced to speak and change their context of topics of lectures against the government leader and China. Students were pushed to commit crimes, and stole lab chemicals to create destruction.
> >
> > US and their 5 eyes were very happy to see that happened and they were happy to see a sea of destructions of private and public properties evaporating in HK. These 5 eyes' people who worked in HK had moved on with their company to a a small country in the south.
> >
> > The majority of Taiwan people are now seeing the kind of things happened in HK and Cambodia were being growing enveloped by Western influencers and media and political figures in the West. Taiwan people should now be way worried of the kind of mobsters will rise in the country that created by Taiwan leader and its Western allies.

Taiwan people will have the same way of lives like now, and therefore, even if China takes over now, the people in Taiwan have no fear of change because they still have their same democratic life like now.

Hence, it is best not to wait for the handover Taiwan to China. China should initiate the takeover as UN of all countries except 5 had recognized China as sole owner of Taiwan, which is part of China.

With that, all the countries in the UN never said "recognition with status quo on Taiwan". It was US which instigated "status quo" US has just a while ago got their G7 group to state "status quo' for Taiwan.

So these G7 of white countries are ganging up again against handover of Taiwan to China. US is interfering too much in the one China working against China's recovery of Taiwan.

Now the whole world is in tension caused by US meddling in the world. If US seek Tsai to handover Taiwan to China, the tension in the world will stop immediately. Everyone in world will have peace and all countries will resume their lives again.

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 by: ltlee1 - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 17:59 UTC

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 12:48:02 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:20:32 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 12:04:14 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:42:52 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > "It's up to the Taiwanese, rather than U.S. politicians, to chart our course with China.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > So while China’s threats toward Taiwan are real, Taiwan isn’t Ukraine. Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned about inflation than a military attack. Unfortunately, false prophecies can stoke our darkest fears — ironically increasing the chance that they come true. "
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-visit-china-enraged-citizens-wary-rcna41107
> > > > Too many people in the US, including Pelosi, think China will attack Taiwan soon. In contrast, people in
> > > > Taiwan aren't fretting over China's threats.
> > > > Who are misinformed? People in America or people in Taiwan?
> > > Why people in Taiwan are not fretting over China because they actually hope the PRC will come to get rid of those DPP scoundrels and people which are now dominating their lives from uniting with their motherland of relatives and ancestors.
> > >
> > > They had seen how stupid HK people were when they saw how Western nations in HK and especially NED and CIA were in HK paying influencers and making incitements damaging HK and HK people went off the curve for several years until the national security stopped them.
> >
> > "Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a
> > high level of mutual dependence."
> > More important, the PRC is in no hurry to take over Taiwan. Many did emigrate to other parts
> > of the world shortly after the ROC was kicked out from the UN. But many had also returned to
> > Taiwan.
> >
> > In the absence of external interference, China can certainly reunify peacefully. After all, one
> > civilization, one people.
> > >
> > > In those few years, parents, grannies, and elderly and other educated were stoned, set on fire, whacked, and were forced to agree and to work with the mobs in attending protest march and so on.
> > >
> > > The situation was like those earlier days of unknow Pol Pot in Cambodia where he was influenced to scotch the earth of Cambodia by killing people. His mobs across Cambodia fanned and mobilized more mobs of Khmer Rouges to kill and push the people to the field to work 24/7 without foods and rest. Eventually, more than half the population was killed by their killers.
> > >
> > > The same like this was happening in HK, too. School books were altered to teach against china; school teachers and university lecturers were forced to speak and change their context of topics of lectures against the government leader and China. Students were pushed to commit crimes, and stole lab chemicals to create destruction.
> > >
> > > US and their 5 eyes were very happy to see that happened and they were happy to see a sea of destructions of private and public properties evaporating in HK. These 5 eyes' people who worked in HK had moved on with their company to a a small country in the south.
> > >
> > > The majority of Taiwan people are now seeing the kind of things happened in HK and Cambodia were being growing enveloped by Western influencers and media and political figures in the West. Taiwan people should now be way worried of the kind of mobsters will rise in the country that created by Taiwan leader and its Western allies.
> Taiwan people will have the same way of lives like now, and therefore, even if China takes over now, the people in Taiwan have no fear of change because they still have their same democratic life like now.
>
> Hence, it is best not to wait for the handover Taiwan to China. China should initiate the takeover as UN of all countries except 5 had recognized China as sole owner of Taiwan, which is part of China.

All over the world, Western style democracies (except those with rich natural resources and small populations)
are failing the people. If Pelosi could improve American democracy, she would certainly help Taiwan
more. On the other hand, if Western style democracies continue their failing trend, more and more people in
Taiwan would support One China whole heartedly.
>
> With that, all the countries in the UN never said "recognition with status quo on Taiwan". It was US which instigated "status quo" US has just a while ago got their G7 group to state "status quo' for Taiwan.
>
> So these G7 of white countries are ganging up again against handover of Taiwan to China. US is interfering too much in the one China working against China's recovery of Taiwan.
>
> Now the whole world is in tension caused by US meddling in the world. If US seek Tsai to handover Taiwan to China, the tension in the world will stop immediately. Everyone in world will have peace and all countries will resume their lives again.

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