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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:01 UTC

"The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.

However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a regime of permanent peace."

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903.html

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 by: stoney - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:28 UTC

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:01:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> "The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.
>
> However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a regime of permanent peace."
>
> http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903..html

US does not want North Korea and South Korea to have any economic cooperation, If allowed to, it will make US redundant from lording. dictating, and manipulating South Korea. They want South Korea to be in the thumb of commands.

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 by: A. Filip - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 09:01 UTC

stoney <papajoe168@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:01:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
>> "The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways
>> and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case
>> especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George
>> W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the
>> US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean
>> relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.
>>
>> However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more
>> fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The
>> essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice
>> regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming
>> supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening
>> up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a
>> regime of permanent peace."
>>
>> http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903.html
>
> US does not want North Korea and South Korea to have any economic
> cooperation, If allowed to, it will make US redundant from
> lording. dictating, and manipulating South Korea. They want South
> Korea to be in the thumb of commands.

Look at it another way: WHY South Korea is "not eager" to simply ignore
US "opinions" about cooperation with (*NUCLEAR*) North Korea?

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 by: borie - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 09:24 UTC

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:01:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> "The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.
>
> However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a regime of permanent peace."
>
> http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903..html

US wants the point man to speak and talk to North Korea. So their treaty on South Korea after their war is for South Korean military to be under US commands disguised under commands of UN forces.

One can see the future of Taiwan under Tsai will end up Taiwan's military under the command of the US military in Okinawa.

Very soon, with special supply of special weapons to Taiwan, Taiwan's Tsai will be forced by US to sign special agreement with US to station US forces to train them but actually for the placement of US forces on Taiwan's soil on a permanent basis.

It will the force Taiwan's military commands to be under US commands, for any military matter when dealing with China. It will be like what South Korea and Japan are now facing in their military dilemmas of being a country but under the US commands of playing "puppet on the string" on them.

If Tsai were to sell out its Taiwanese military to be under the commands to the US, she will not bother with the future of it. She will escape to US and live under US's protection, instead. Taiwan will then become like militaries of Japan and South Korea.

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 by: borie - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:12 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 5:24:35 PM UTC+8, borie wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:01:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.
> >
> > However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a regime of permanent peace."
> >
> > http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903.html
> US wants the point man to speak and talk to North Korea. So their treaty on South Korea after their war is for South Korean military to be under US commands disguised under commands of UN forces.
>
> One can see the future of Taiwan under Tsai will end up Taiwan's military under the command of the US military in Okinawa.
>
> Very soon, with special supply of special weapons to Taiwan, Taiwan's Tsai will be forced by US to sign special agreement with US to station US forces to train them but actually for the placement of US forces on Taiwan's soil on a permanent basis.
>
> It will the force Taiwan's military commands to be under US commands, for any military matter when dealing with China. It will be like what South Korea and Japan are now facing in their military dilemmas of being a country but under the US commands of playing "puppet on the string" on them.
>
> If Tsai were to sell out its Taiwanese military to be under the commands to the US, she will not bother with the future of it. She will escape to US and live under US's protection, instead. Taiwan will then become like militaries of Japan and South Korea.

If Tsai sells out Taiwan and ran away from its hounding people, she will be like the late South Vietnam's president Nguyen Van Thieu and late Prime Minister of South Vietnam's Nguyen Cao Ky.

They lost its political and economic powers to run South Vietnam after giving all their commands of its military bases to US forces to fight for them. They ran off with crates of gold bars to US when North Vietnam overwhelmed them and deleted US forces, too. South Vietnam people suffered and became very poor and ragtag, too.

Make no mistake, US will lead the leaderless Tsai to that end too. She will be forced to listen to the US Pacific commander in Okinawa and asked to hand her military bases for them to fight and defend Taiwan. Whether win or lose the war, eventually Taiwan will end up like South Korea and Japan. Taiwan people should now wake up and not to be tricked by the green pastures of US waiting to cold storage them instead.

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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:14 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 5:01:39 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> stoney <papaj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:01:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> "The US has been uncooperative about the project to connect railways
> >> and roads between North and South Korea. This has been the case
> >> especially during Republican administrations, namely those of George
> >> W. Bush (2001-2008) and Donald Trump (2017-2020). At the time, the
> >> US justified its stance by saying that progress in inter-Korean
> >> relations should align in pace with the North’s denuclearization.
> >>
> >> However, the bottom line of the US’ uncooperativeness is more
> >> fundamental, rooted in the Cold War order in Northeast Asia. The
> >> essence of the matter is tug-of-war concerning whether the armistice
> >> regime is maintained, keeping the US in its position of overwhelming
> >> supremacy, or whether inter-Korea cooperation is hastened, opening
> >> up an opportunity for a transition from the armistice regime to a
> >> regime of permanent peace."
> >>
> >> http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1052903.html
> >
> > US does not want North Korea and South Korea to have any economic
> > cooperation, If allowed to, it will make US redundant from
> > lording. dictating, and manipulating South Korea. They want South
> > Korea to be in the thumb of commands.
> Look at it another way: WHY South Korea is "not eager" to simply ignore
> US "opinions" about cooperation with (*NUCLEAR*) North Korea?
>

Acton's famous words are "Power Tends to Corrupt."
The TEND is significant. After all, power per se does not corrupt.
Inertia corrupts. Power offers choice. Inertia is against making
choice.

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