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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY

Tucker Carlson made several points:
1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.

But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.

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 by: bmoore - Sat, 30 Jul 2022 20:31 UTC

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:45:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
>
> Tucker Carlson made several points:
> 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.

Ukraine is on a war footage. Ukraine has been brutally attacked by the far more authoritarian Putin . You are pathologically lying, unable to admit that.

You just make it up as you go along, while comfortably avoiding CCP brutality by living in the US.

Did I say anything that is false?

You have been doing this on this NG for decades, and not responding.
Fact.

> 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
>
> But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 12:04 UTC

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
>
> Tucker Carlson made several points:
> 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
>
> But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.

Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737

"Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
forces.
....
"Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."

"They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""

However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.

Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."

In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
service.

According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.

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 by: stoney - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 15:09 UTC

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> >
> > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> >
> > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek..com:
> https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
>
> "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> forces.
> ...
> "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
>
> "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
>
> However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
>
> Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
>
> In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> service.
>
> According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S.. values.

US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.

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 by: A. Filip - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:14 UTC

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
>
> Tucker Carlson made several points:
> 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
>
> But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.

"Indefinitely" merely means the end is not known/set *YET*

https://www.anquotes.com/napoleon-bonaparte-quotes/
> "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
> -- Napoleon Bonaparte

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:41 UTC

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:14:50 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> >
> > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> >
> > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> "Indefinitely" merely means the end is not known/set *YET*
>

Good answer. Zelenskyy would be happy with your understanding.
"The help would not be sufficient until the war is over, and until we win."

If low level fighting continues indefinitely, Ukraine would rightfully ask for
US contribution indefinitely.

Question:
Is Ukraine currently,
a) America's Afghanistan,
b) Russia's Afghanistan,
c) both?

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 by: A. Filip - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:53 UTC

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:14:50 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
>> >
>> > Tucker Carlson made several points:
>> > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
>> > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
>> > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
>> > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
>> > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
>> >
>> > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
>> "Indefinitely" merely means the end is not known/set *YET*
>>
>
> Good answer. Zelenskyy would be happy with your understanding.
> "The help would not be sufficient until the war is over, and until we win."
>
> If low level fighting continues indefinitely, Ukraine would rightfully ask for
> US contribution indefinitely.
>
> Question:
> Is Ukraine currently,
> a) America's Afghanistan,
> b) Russia's Afghanistan,
> c) both?

Is US ready to finance Ukrainian (hot non partisan/non cheap) war for
2+ *years*? IMHO "Maybe" is the very precise answer. IMHO It is likely
but it is not guaranteed [especially after a few examples of "misused"
funding].

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:30 UTC

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > >
> > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > >
> > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> >
> > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > forces.
> > ...
> > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> >
> > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> >
> > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> >
> > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> >
> > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > service.
> >
> > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U..S. values.
> US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.

In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
battlefield.

Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
disaster.

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 by: stoney - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:41 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > >
> > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > >
> > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > >
> > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > forces.
> > > ...
> > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > >
> > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > >
> > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > >
> > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > >
> > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > service.
> > >
> > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> battlefield.
>
> Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> disaster.

No. Not good to take a page from Zelensky. This is because Taiwan is different from Ukraine. Hence, Tsai and Zelensky is different too.

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 by: stoney - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:46 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > >
> > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > >
> > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > >
> > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > forces.
> > > ...
> > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > >
> > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > >
> > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > >
> > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > >
> > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > service.
> > >
> > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> battlefield.
>
> Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> disaster.

No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too.. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.

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 by: bmoore - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 18:00 UTC

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > >
> > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point..
> > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > >
> > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > forces.
> > > > ...
> > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > >
> > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > >
> > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > >
> > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > service.
> > > >
> > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > battlefield.
> >
> > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > disaster.
> No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.

False, Stonedy the propagandist.

Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.

You talk boring cock.

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 1 Aug 2022 18:09 UTC

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 1:54:36 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:14:50 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> >> >
> >> > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> >> > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> >> > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> >> > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning..
> >> > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> >> > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> >> >
> >> > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> >> "Indefinitely" merely means the end is not known/set *YET*
> >>
> >
> > Good answer. Zelenskyy would be happy with your understanding.
> > "The help would not be sufficient until the war is over, and until we win."
> >
> > If low level fighting continues indefinitely, Ukraine would rightfully ask for
> > US contribution indefinitely.
> >
> > Question:
> > Is Ukraine currently,
> > a) America's Afghanistan,
> > b) Russia's Afghanistan,
> > c) both?
> Is US ready to finance Ukrainian (hot non partisan/non cheap) war for
> 2+ *years*? IMHO "Maybe" is the very precise answer. IMHO It is likely
> but it is not guaranteed [especially after a few examples of "misused"
> funding].
> --

In return, the US gets ...

"As Putin's war on Ukraine rages on and Washington continues to pledge more aid
and weapons to the besieged nation, the entire situation is starting to look ever more
like another Afghanistan.

After less than five months of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the United States has spent
$8 billion, which is more than we spent during the first five years in Afghanistan.

Western officials, including NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, have been warning
that Russia's war in Ukraine will last for years. And President Biden is planning to keep
the spigot open indefinitely. In June, Biden said the U.S. would provide support to Ukraine
"as long as it takes" to win its war against Russia. And on Friday, a senior Pentagon
official spoke about gearing up to give assistance to Kyiv for "months and years" to
"defend their
democracy."

As Americans, we all want Ukrainians—and everyone around the world—to live in a democracy.
But that could be an unachievable goal for Ukraine in the near future. U.S. billions will not stop
Putin's war, and like Afghanistan, Ukraine is not a mature candidate for a Jeffersonian and
Western-style government."

https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-recklessness-turning-ukraine-another-afghanistan-opinion-1726140

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 by: stoney - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 02:47 UTC

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > forces.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > > >
> > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > >
> > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > service.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > battlefield.
> > >
> > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > disaster.
> > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> False, Stonedy the propagandist.
>
> Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
>
> You talk boring cock.

You cock brain, Taiwan has no president as it is a territorial part of China. She is a pirate. More than half of population in Taiwan were born and raised in China. And more than 80 percent of the people have strong relationship in respect of their ancestors Can one imagine if someone living in Hawaii or Guam got themselves elected and called themselves as president and so on, and is amounting to saying that the president of Hawaii or Guam is independent of the US president who should not be representing them there? Hence you sound absurd.

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On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > forces.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > > >
> > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > >
> > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > service.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > battlefield.
> > >
> > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > disaster.
> > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> False, Stonedy the propagandist.
>
> Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
>
> You talk boring cock.

That qualifications bring nothing to the table as she is a pirate living on the island that belongs to China.

If she is intelligent person, it means she warped her intelligent by twisting her words into saying Taiwan is already an independent island country from China, for which she has violated the UN recognition on the sole right of sovereignty of Taiwan.

Do you think she is a intelligent person or politician to talk like this? in the international stage?. Do you think a person in Guam or Hawaii got elected of local election can claim the islands were already an independent countries of the US?.

Can a local elected in Taiwan has a right to internationalize herself as president of Taiwan when Taiwan is part of China? At the most, she is only an elected person like a mayor to run the local affairs on the island on behalf of China.

Therefore, she is no president of Taiwan at all. Can you think you can still stupidly still saying she is an intelligent person with whatever law degrees which had made her even look funny and stupid to the people?.

It is not that we cannot have a conversational but your intelligent depth of logic and reason is beyond shallow words.

To use an analogy to see how intelligent you look at yourself if you are in the shoes of what Tsai had said Taiwan belongs to them and is done.

Let this ask of you:

would you say if you own a property and someone in your family ran away from you and lived on the property there for many years under the protection of US gangsters and mafias to protect them from recovery of it. So when you were weak and the country is large, your recovery of your property from that someone with gangsters will take time.

This makes that someone living on your property to think they owned it already. They then change your family's status quo of families and relatives on your property as independent from your family.

And now you are strong, wealthy, and mighty too, the illegal occupier on your property refused to return your property back to you. Not only that the illegal occupier claimed your property is theirs, it is already since ran away from you.

And now when you want to invade and take back your property, your illegal occupier of your property engages their US gangsters to supply arms to attack you, too, in case if you come to take back your property.

So, what do you think your illegal occupier who lived on your property should return the property to you or not? Is your illegal occupier more intelligent to also themselves as president owner of your entire property and its surroundings too?.

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On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > >
> > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point..
> > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > >
> > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > forces.
> > > > ...
> > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > >
> > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > >
> > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > >
> > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > service.
> > > >
> > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > battlefield.
> >
> > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > disaster.
> No. Not good to take a page from Zelensky. This is because Taiwan is different from Ukraine. Hence, Tsai and Zelensky is different too.

1) Zelenskyy has more interaction with US presidents, Trump and Biden. He knows what the US really is.
2) He is new to politics and he still knows who he is.

1) +2) -> He is the child who calls out America's democratic clothes with his clear
clearing “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United States will continue,
therefore we are giving our lives for your values." For now.

Tsai has been a Western democratic politician for a while. She is corrupted by power related
inertia. But tomorrow's Zelenskyy would be today's Tsai if he continues to play Western
democracy.

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On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:01:53 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > > forces.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > > service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > > battlefield.
> > > >
> > > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > > disaster.
> > > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> > False, Stonedy the propagandist.
> >
> > Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
> >
> > You talk boring cock.
> That qualifications bring nothing to the table as she is a pirate living on the island that belongs to China.
>
> If she is intelligent person, it means she warped her intelligent by twisting her words into saying Taiwan is already an independent island country from China, for which she has violated the UN recognition on the sole right of sovereignty of Taiwan.
>
> Do you think she is a intelligent person or politician to talk like this? in the international stage?. Do you think a person in Guam or Hawaii got elected of local election can claim the islands were already an independent countries of the US?.
>
> Can a local elected in Taiwan has a right to internationalize herself as president of Taiwan when Taiwan is part of China? At the most, she is only an elected person like a mayor to run the local affairs on the island on behalf of China.
>
> Therefore, she is no president of Taiwan at all. Can you think you can still stupidly still saying she is an intelligent person with whatever law degrees which had made her even look funny and stupid to the people?.
>
> It is not that we cannot have a conversational but your intelligent depth of logic and reason is beyond shallow words.
>
> To use an analogy to see how intelligent you look at yourself if you are in the shoes of what Tsai had said Taiwan belongs to them and is done.
>
> Let this ask of you:
>
> would you say if you own a property and someone in your family ran away from you and lived on the property there for many years under the protection of US gangsters and mafias to protect them from recovery of it. So when you were weak and the country is large, your recovery of your property from that someone with gangsters will take time.
>
> This makes that someone living on your property to think they owned it already. They then change your family's status quo of families and relatives on your property as independent from your family.
>
> And now you are strong, wealthy, and mighty too, the illegal occupier on your property refused to return your property back to you. Not only that the illegal occupier claimed your property is theirs, it is already since ran away from you.
>
> And now when you want to invade and take back your property, your illegal occupier of your property engages their US gangsters to supply arms to attack you, too, in case if you come to take back your property.
>
> So, what do you think your illegal occupier who lived on your property should return the property to you or not? Is your illegal occupier more intelligent to also themselves as president owner of your entire property and its surroundings too?.

The PRC has never ruled Taiwan. It never belonged to them. They will get it only if they carry out their bullying threats. Godless PRC is run by mean people. They will certainly rot in hell. You know it's true.

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On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:19 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:01:53 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem..
> > > > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > > > forces.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money.."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > > > battlefield.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > > > disaster.
> > > > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> > > False, Stonedy the propagandist.
> > >
> > > Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
> > >
> > > You talk boring cock.
> > That qualifications bring nothing to the table as she is a pirate living on the island that belongs to China.
> >
> > If she is intelligent person, it means she warped her intelligent by twisting her words into saying Taiwan is already an independent island country from China, for which she has violated the UN recognition on the sole right of sovereignty of Taiwan.
> >
> > Do you think she is a intelligent person or politician to talk like this? in the international stage?. Do you think a person in Guam or Hawaii got elected of local election can claim the islands were already an independent countries of the US?.
> >
> > Can a local elected in Taiwan has a right to internationalize herself as president of Taiwan when Taiwan is part of China? At the most, she is only an elected person like a mayor to run the local affairs on the island on behalf of China.
> >
> > Therefore, she is no president of Taiwan at all. Can you think you can still stupidly still saying she is an intelligent person with whatever law degrees which had made her even look funny and stupid to the people?.
> >
> > It is not that we cannot have a conversational but your intelligent depth of logic and reason is beyond shallow words.
> >
> > To use an analogy to see how intelligent you look at yourself if you are in the shoes of what Tsai had said Taiwan belongs to them and is done.
> >
> > Let this ask of you:
> >
> > would you say if you own a property and someone in your family ran away from you and lived on the property there for many years under the protection of US gangsters and mafias to protect them from recovery of it. So when you were weak and the country is large, your recovery of your property from that someone with gangsters will take time.
> >
> > This makes that someone living on your property to think they owned it already. They then change your family's status quo of families and relatives on your property as independent from your family.
> >
> > And now you are strong, wealthy, and mighty too, the illegal occupier on your property refused to return your property back to you. Not only that the illegal occupier claimed your property is theirs, it is already since ran away from you.
> >
> > And now when you want to invade and take back your property, your illegal occupier of your property engages their US gangsters to supply arms to attack you, too, in case if you come to take back your property.
> >
> > So, what do you think your illegal occupier who lived on your property should return the property to you or not? Is your illegal occupier more intelligent to also themselves as president owner of your entire property and its surroundings too?.
> The PRC has never ruled Taiwan. It never belonged to them. They will get it only if they carry out their bullying threats. Godless PRC is run by mean people. They will certainly rot in hell. You know it's true.

It's about ownership. Dud. It's not about rule. Dud. This goes to show how your pea brain worked.

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On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:19 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:01:53 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem..
> > > > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > > > forces.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money.."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > > > battlefield.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > > > disaster.
> > > > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> > > False, Stonedy the propagandist.
> > >
> > > Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
> > >
> > > You talk boring cock.
> > That qualifications bring nothing to the table as she is a pirate living on the island that belongs to China.
> >
> > If she is intelligent person, it means she warped her intelligent by twisting her words into saying Taiwan is already an independent island country from China, for which she has violated the UN recognition on the sole right of sovereignty of Taiwan.
> >
> > Do you think she is a intelligent person or politician to talk like this? in the international stage?. Do you think a person in Guam or Hawaii got elected of local election can claim the islands were already an independent countries of the US?.
> >
> > Can a local elected in Taiwan has a right to internationalize herself as president of Taiwan when Taiwan is part of China? At the most, she is only an elected person like a mayor to run the local affairs on the island on behalf of China.
> >
> > Therefore, she is no president of Taiwan at all. Can you think you can still stupidly still saying she is an intelligent person with whatever law degrees which had made her even look funny and stupid to the people?.
> >
> > It is not that we cannot have a conversational but your intelligent depth of logic and reason is beyond shallow words.
> >
> > To use an analogy to see how intelligent you look at yourself if you are in the shoes of what Tsai had said Taiwan belongs to them and is done.
> >
> > Let this ask of you:
> >
> > would you say if you own a property and someone in your family ran away from you and lived on the property there for many years under the protection of US gangsters and mafias to protect them from recovery of it. So when you were weak and the country is large, your recovery of your property from that someone with gangsters will take time.
> >
> > This makes that someone living on your property to think they owned it already. They then change your family's status quo of families and relatives on your property as independent from your family.
> >
> > And now you are strong, wealthy, and mighty too, the illegal occupier on your property refused to return your property back to you. Not only that the illegal occupier claimed your property is theirs, it is already since ran away from you.
> >
> > And now when you want to invade and take back your property, your illegal occupier of your property engages their US gangsters to supply arms to attack you, too, in case if you come to take back your property.
> >
> > So, what do you think your illegal occupier who lived on your property should return the property to you or not? Is your illegal occupier more intelligent to also themselves as president owner of your entire property and its surroundings too?.
> The PRC has never ruled Taiwan. It never belonged to them. They will get it only if they carry out their bullying threats. Godless PRC is run by mean people. They will certainly rot in hell. You know it's true.

Taiwan is basically an island that occupied by a self-ruled pirate. PRC wants to rule them but they employed US gangsters to block them.

US gangsters told China and the UN world too, to remain "status quo" of Taiwan. So who is that USA that has too big an ego and power to dictate status quo to China's recovery of ownership of Taiwan?

Rightfully, the pirate in Taiwan has to be appointed by China. China is the landlord of Taiwan, the pirate is the tenant. The pirate, as tenant, has to pay all its revenues as rent and tax to the landlord.

Hence, there is a lot of absurdities from you on what you said China did not rule Taiwan. US is playing interfering game by using the pirate in Taiwan using "status quo" as excuse to delay the pirate from handover of Taiwan to China.

By interfering China's internal affairs of Taiwan, US is clearly the devil and the evil behind it. US has to bear the full accountabilities for their consequences of it.

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Subject: Re: Tucker Carlson: Why are we still funding this (Ukrine)?
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 by: bmoore - Wed, 3 Aug 2022 17:48 UTC

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:13:31 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:19 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:01:53 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:00:14 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:30:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 8:04:59 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJ71dJ4quY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tucker Carlson made several points:
> > > > > > > > > 1. Ukraine's government is authoritarian.
> > > > > > > > > 2. Both party agree on funding Ukraine indefinitely.
> > > > > > > > > 3. Funding Ukraine is not among US voters' most important concerning.
> > > > > > > > > 4. Zelenskyy did not care about America's inflation problem.
> > > > > > > > > 5. His guest called funding without any accountability a scam.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But Tucker Carlson seems to miss Zelenskyy's most important point.
> > > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's complaint against Zelenskyy was also pick up by Newsweek.com:
> > > > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-vogue-carlson-fox-funding-1728737
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Carlson took aim at the "the authoritarian government" of Kyiv which "needs
> > > > > > > > tens of billions of dollars of dollars" of U.S. taxpayers' money to fight Russian
> > > > > > > > forces.
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > "Why don't you run yours? We'll run ours," Carlson said, concluding that Ukraine's
> > > > > > > > leaders "have total contempt for us" and "just want our money."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "They don't care about the United States even a little bit," he said, "this is
> > > > > > > > not democracy...uniting in solidarity. This is a scam.""
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, the most revealing statement made Zelenskyy was not included in
> > > > > > > > Tucker Carlson's clip nor the July 28th Newsweek.com article.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually, Zelenskyy said, “As long as we are resisting it, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > > States will continue, therefore we are giving our lives for your values and the joint
> > > > > > > > security of the world. Therefore, inflation is nothing, COVID is nothing."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In some sense, Zelenskyy thought like Carlson, taking tens of billions of dollar is
> > > > > > > > NOT Democracy uniting in solidarity. But it is not a scam. It is money for
> > > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > According to Zelenskyy, as long as Ukraine are resisting, the integrity of the United
> > > > > > > > States will continue, therefore Ukrainians are giving their lives for U.S. values.
> > > > > > > US has to pay "propaganda" fee to Ukraine to fight, agitate, and irritate Russia.
> > > > > > In comparison to Taiwan's Tsai In-Wen, Zelenskyy has a better grasp of current international
> > > > > > politics. At present, Tsai' silence could trigger an US-China conflict using Taiwan as the
> > > > > > battlefield.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tsai should take a page from Zelenskyy's playbook and precludes the upcoming lose-lose-lose
> > > > > > disaster.
> > > > > No. There is no Tsai at all. In short, there is no president in Taiwan, too. Hence, Tsai is only an ordinary farmer's daughter.
> > > > False, Stonedy the propagandist.
> > > >
> > > > Tsai is an intelligent person with law degrees from Cornell and the U of London. Look it up.
> > > >
> > > > You talk boring cock.
> > > That qualifications bring nothing to the table as she is a pirate living on the island that belongs to China.
> > >
> > > If she is intelligent person, it means she warped her intelligent by twisting her words into saying Taiwan is already an independent island country from China, for which she has violated the UN recognition on the sole right of sovereignty of Taiwan.
> > >
> > > Do you think she is a intelligent person or politician to talk like this? in the international stage?. Do you think a person in Guam or Hawaii got elected of local election can claim the islands were already an independent countries of the US?.
> > >
> > > Can a local elected in Taiwan has a right to internationalize herself as president of Taiwan when Taiwan is part of China? At the most, she is only an elected person like a mayor to run the local affairs on the island on behalf of China.
> > >
> > > Therefore, she is no president of Taiwan at all. Can you think you can still stupidly still saying she is an intelligent person with whatever law degrees which had made her even look funny and stupid to the people?.
> > >
> > > It is not that we cannot have a conversational but your intelligent depth of logic and reason is beyond shallow words.
> > >
> > > To use an analogy to see how intelligent you look at yourself if you are in the shoes of what Tsai had said Taiwan belongs to them and is done.
> > >
> > > Let this ask of you:
> > >
> > > would you say if you own a property and someone in your family ran away from you and lived on the property there for many years under the protection of US gangsters and mafias to protect them from recovery of it. So when you were weak and the country is large, your recovery of your property from that someone with gangsters will take time.
> > >
> > > This makes that someone living on your property to think they owned it already. They then change your family's status quo of families and relatives on your property as independent from your family.
> > >
> > > And now you are strong, wealthy, and mighty too, the illegal occupier on your property refused to return your property back to you. Not only that the illegal occupier claimed your property is theirs, it is already since ran away from you.
> > >
> > > And now when you want to invade and take back your property, your illegal occupier of your property engages their US gangsters to supply arms to attack you, too, in case if you come to take back your property.
> > >
> > > So, what do you think your illegal occupier who lived on your property should return the property to you or not? Is your illegal occupier more intelligent to also themselves as president owner of your entire property and its surroundings too?.
> > The PRC has never ruled Taiwan. It never belonged to them. They will get it only if they carry out their bullying threats. Godless PRC is run by mean people. They will certainly rot in hell. You know it's true.
> Taiwan is basically an island that occupied by a self-ruled pirate. PRC wants to rule them but they employed US gangsters to block them.
>
> US gangsters told China and the UN world too, to remain "status quo" of Taiwan. So who is that USA that has too big an ego and power to dictate status quo to China's recovery of ownership of Taiwan?
>
> Rightfully, the pirate in Taiwan has to be appointed by China. China is the landlord of Taiwan, the pirate is the tenant. The pirate, as tenant, has to pay all its revenues as rent and tax to the landlord.
>
> Hence, there is a lot of absurdities from you on what you said China did not rule Taiwan. US is playing interfering game by using the pirate in Taiwan using "status quo" as excuse to delay the pirate from handover of Taiwan to China.
>
> By interfering China's internal affairs of Taiwan, US is clearly the devil and the evil behind it. US has to bear the full accountabilities for their consequences of it.

Something tells me that if the PRC tries to change the status quo, you and LT will be spectators, not participants.


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