Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:

> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>
>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>
>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>> this is repeated in an answer.
>
> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
> verifiable facts.

RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
probably).

He was a good fellow.

anonymous wrote:
>
> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>
> > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> >
> >> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
> >>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
> >>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
> >>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
> >>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
> >>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
> >>
> >> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
> >> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
> >> this is repeated in an answer.
> >
> > What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
> > to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
> > It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
> > verifiable facts.
>
> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
> probably).

Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and
open, like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made
life easier for himself if he's required registration.

> He was a good fellow.

Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.

On/il 23/12/2023 , *William Stickers* wrote/ha scritto:
> anonymous wrote:
>>
>> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>>
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>>
>>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>> The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>>> org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>>> (IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>> I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>>
>>>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>>> this is repeated in an answer.
>>>
>>> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
>>> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
>>> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
>>> verifiable facts.
>>
>> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
>> probably).
>
> Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and
> open, like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made
> life easier for himself if he's required registration.
>
>> He was a good fellow.
>
> Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.

He is much better now! I'm in contact with him... ;)

BTW, Merry Christmas everyone here!

--
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- since 2023-11-01, my posts are from news.individual.net
Please, be smart!
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anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> writes:

> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>
>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>
>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>
>>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>> this is repeated in an answer.
>>
>> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
>> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
>> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
>> verifiable facts.
>
> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
> probably).

But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.

> He was a good fellow.

The community has a lot to thank him for. Thank you, Paolo Amoroso.

On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.

You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.

Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

--
Grant. . . .

On 12/23/2023 3:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> But was there a backup at all?  If he were to provide the backup to
>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>
> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>
> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

His site was leveled once.

It involved a COLO, and instantly he was left with nothing.
He happened to make a comment in public about the services of the COLO.
It wasn't an outrageous comment. Just the usual comment about things.
Boom. Gone. Just like that.

With a COLO, once your account is canceled, you have no access
whatsoever to your information content. The hardware in a COLO
is behind locked doors. You're not getting in there, to say,
clone your hard drive. Forget it.

it took *months* to reproduce the website from scratch and
populate it with topical materials again. As well as put
the news server back up.

There is no evidence that he had a backup in his new COLO location.
He got kicked out of the Italian COLO and moved to a German COLO.
Where the legal environment is different.

Something happened to the RAID, but we don't know whether it
was a RAID degrade/fail or... a hack from the outside. That
part is unclear. Security is all-important on little projects
like this, because hateful people are everywhere. Maybe the
server had received a little rm -Rf * loving. Who knows.

There are people who run scans every day, to see if you're
disparaging them. Look at W.Tom, using Google to email him
any time "whole house lightning protection" was used in a
USENET posting. One individual in another group, as a part
of his .sig , he includes "W.Tom" and "lightning", just
to ensure that every post he sends, would result in W.Tom
receiving an (irrelevant) email.

If you think you're not being watched, you're being watched :-)
I bet there is a certain lawyer I cannot name, who is doing
this. Just because.

Paul

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>
> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>
> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

Of course. They likely had a nice set-up of so many things. The
service was great. I assume there was years of preparation,
configuration, customization and so on.

=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Taf=AE?= <taf@despam.anonaddy.com> wrote in
news:mn.bc697e7ce56c6633.149786@PurpleReign:

> On/il 23/12/2023 , *William Stickers* wrote/ha scritto:
>> anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in
>>> news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>>>
>>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe
>>>>>>> dot org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was
>>>>>>> decomissioned (IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>>> I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>>>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>>>> this is repeated in an answer.
>>>>
>>>> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what
>>>> happened to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it
>>>> suddenly went out. It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be
>>>> nice to get some verifiable facts.
>>>
>>> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
>>> probably).
>>
>> Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and
>> open, like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made
>> life easier for himself if he's required registration.
>>
>>> He was a good fellow.
>>
>> Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.
>
> He is much better now! I'm in contact with him... ;)

Good.
> BTW, Merry Christmas everyone here!

Merry Christmas all and please include Paolo. He's forever a part of
Usenet lore.

Paul,

None of your comment has any relationship with the fact that anybody
that want's to can green-field a brand-new server without the backup of
another server, much less somebody else's server.

--
Grant. . . .

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>None of your comment has any relationship with the fact that anybody
>that want's to can green-field a brand-new server without the backup of
>another server, much less somebody else's server.

It is possible that a person writes custom scripts and uses custom
data collections to accelerate and improve administrative operations
and maintenance tasks. If such customizations were lost, it could
be a bleak outlook to start again with just the standard software.

On 12/24/23 12:51, Stefan Ram wrote:
> It is possible that a person writes custom scripts and uses custom
> data collections to accelerate and improve administrative operations
> and maintenance tasks. If such customizations were lost, it could be
> a bleak outlook to start again with just the standard software.

I agree.

But not having that doesn't prevent someone else from creating something
anew.

--
Grant. . . .

On 24 Dec 2023 18:51:17 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>>None of your comment has any relationship with the fact that anybody
>>that want's to can green-field a brand-new server without the backup of
>>another server, much less somebody else's server.
>
> It is possible that a person writes custom scripts and uses custom
> data collections to accelerate and improve administrative operations
> and maintenance tasks. If such customizations were lost, it could
> be a bleak outlook to start again with just the standard software.

Very true. I keep backups for that exact reason. I can always start a new
spool, but all the custom mods I've made would be very frustrating to have
to remember what I did.

On 12/24/23 04:08, Paul wrote:
> On 12/23/2023 3:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> But was there a backup at all?  If he were to provide the backup to
>>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>>
>> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>>
>> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.
>
> His site was leveled once.
>
> It involved a COLO, and instantly he was left with nothing.
> He happened to make a comment in public about the services of the COLO.
> It wasn't an outrageous comment. Just the usual comment about things.
> Boom. Gone. Just like that.
>
> With a COLO, once your account is canceled, you have no access
> whatsoever to your information content. The hardware in a COLO
> is behind locked doors. You're not getting in there, to say,
> clone your hard drive. Forget it.
>
> it took *months* to reproduce the website from scratch and
> populate it with topical materials again. As well as put
> the news server back up.
>
> There is no evidence that he had a backup in his new COLO location.
> He got kicked out of the Italian COLO and moved to a German COLO.
> Where the legal environment is different.
>
> Something happened to the RAID, but we don't know whether it
> was a RAID degrade/fail or... a hack from the outside. That
> part is unclear. Security is all-important on little projects
> like this, because hateful people are everywhere. Maybe the
> server had received a little rm -Rf * loving. Who knows.
>
> There are people who run scans every day, to see if you're
> disparaging them. Look at W.Tom, using Google to email him
> any time "whole house lightning protection" was used in a
> USENET posting. One individual in another group, as a part
> of his .sig , he includes "W.Tom" and "lightning", just
> to ensure that every post he sends, would result in W.Tom
> receiving an (irrelevant) email.
>
> If you think you're not being watched, you're being watched :-)
> I bet there is a certain lawyer I cannot name, who is doing
> this. Just because.
>
> Paul
>
>
With a co-lo, the hardware is yours. If they cancel your account and
won't let you in to access it, that is theft and you can sue them or
call the police.

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> None of your comment has any relationship with the fact that anybody
> that want's to can green-field a brand-new server without the backup of
> another server, much less somebody else's server.
>

To be fair: a rambling anecdote, OT or not, can fill an idle minute or
two in these latter days of a dwindling Usenet. One might argue that
if well crafted and interesting, bandwidth applied to entertainment
(whether of self or of others) is bandwidth well spent.

It's stretching a point but WTH, it's the season of goodwill.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon wishes Happy Mithras to all Usenetters.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:24:16 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>these latter days of a dwindling Usenet

only ~59 days remaining until google cuts the chord

D <J@M> writes:

> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:24:16 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>these latter days of a dwindling Usenet
>
> only ~59 days remaining until google cuts the chord

And still some GG users seem not to have noticed this?

<04329cec-53ab-455f-879b-396b4d743c71n@googlegroups.com>

--
I do not bite, I just want to play.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:59:13 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>With a co-lo, the hardware is yours. If they cancel your account and
>won't let you in to access it, that is theft and you can sue them or
>call the police.

That is just one (simplistic) model - and not an easy one for an
individual or small business to use unless the COLO site is reasonably
close by.

There also are COLO providers which rent bare servers and will perform
on-site hardware maintenance. You still have to administer your
system(s) and their software, but the provider makes some guarantee to
keep your rented server(s) physically operational.

A provider can pull the plug on a rented server for any contractual
reason and then you are out of luck.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 22:08:54 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 12/23/2023 3:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> But was there a backup at all?� If he were to provide the backup to
>>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>>
>> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.
>
>His site was leveled once.
>It involved a COLO, and instantly he was left with nothing.
>He happened to make a comment in public about the services of the COLO.
>It wasn't an outrageous comment. Just the usual comment about things.
>Boom. Gone. Just like that.
>With a COLO, once your account is canceled, you have no access
>whatsoever to your information content. The hardware in a COLO
>is behind locked doors. You're not getting in there, to say,
>clone your hard drive. Forget it.
>it took *months* to reproduce the website from scratch and
>populate it with topical materials again. As well as put
>the news server back up.
>There is no evidence that he had a backup in his new COLO location.
>He got kicked out of the Italian COLO and moved to a German COLO.
>Where the legal environment is different.
>Something happened to the RAID, but we don't know whether it
>was a RAID degrade/fail or... a hack from the outside. That
>part is unclear. Security is all-important on little projects
>like this, because hateful people are everywhere. Maybe the
>server had received a little rm -Rf * loving. Who knows.
>There are people who run scans every day, to see if you're
>disparaging them. Look at W.Tom, using Google to email him
>any time "whole house lightning protection" was used in a
>USENET posting. One individual in another group, as a part
>of his .sig , he includes "W.Tom" and "lightning", just
>to ensure that every post he sends, would result in W.Tom
>receiving an (irrelevant) email.
>If you think you're not being watched, you're being watched :-)
>I bet there is a certain lawyer I cannot name, who is doing
>this. Just because.
> Paul

(for laymen unfamiliar with jargon acronyms)
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=colocation+hosting
e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation_centre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
etc...

In comp.lang.lisp anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> wrote:

> He was a good fellow.

Was? Like in he's no longer alive?

--
The best way to make fire with two sticks is to insure that one of
them is a match.

Am 28/12/2023 um 12:17 schrieb Arnold Ziffel:
> In comp.lang.lisp anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> wrote:
>
>> He was a good fellow.
>
> Was? Like in he's no longer alive?
>

He was a good fellow, now he's a total bastard.

--
Ottavio Caruso

Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:umjprd$cfer$5@dont-email.me:

>
>
> Am 28/12/2023 um 12:17 schrieb Arnold Ziffel:
>> In comp.lang.lisp anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> wrote:
>>
>>> He was a good fellow.
>>
>> Was? Like in he's no longer alive?
>>
>
>
> He was a good fellow, now he's a total bastard.

What did he school you on that hurt your feelings?

Taf® wrote:
> On/il 23/12/2023 , *William Stickers* wrote/ha scritto:
>> anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>>>
>>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>>>> org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>>>> (IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>>> I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>>>>   in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>>>>   this is repeated in an answer.
>>>>
>>>> What an awesome coincidence.  I'm personally curious as to what
>>>> happened
>>>> to the service.  It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went
>>>> out.
>>>> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
>>>> verifiable facts.
>>>
>>> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
>>> probably).
>>
>> Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and open,
>> like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made life easier
>> for himself if he's required registration.
>>
>>> He was a good fellow.
>>
>> Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.
>
> He is much better now! I'm in contact with him... ;)
>
> BTW, Merry Christmas everyone here!
>
Tell him to GETZ his server back up pronto and speaking of back up I
hope he backed up all his data because there's little kids and widows
that have no money to pay for a paid Usenet service. Everyone has been
waiting long enough.

D wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:24:16 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> these latter days of a dwindling Usenet
>
> only ~59 days remaining until google cuts the chord
>

They'll just sell the Usenet service to anyone with a couple of bucks in
their pocket. The goggle groups will just reopen under a different name
and only be down a day or two. I'm backing up all the history of all
Usenet posts from Google Groups just in case.

On 12/24/23 04:30, Julieta Shem wrote:
> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>
>> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
>>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>>
>> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>>
>> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.
>
> Of course. They likely had a nice set-up of so many things. The
> service was great. I assume there was years of preparation,
> configuration, customization and so on.

Quite possibly not. Everything is a pile of hacks upon hacks. That means
everything, not just news servers, not just computers.